Tim Kelly invited me back to discuss the scope of MKULTRA which is often overlooked in the Hollywood hype of mind controlled assassins and trigger words.  In this conversation we cover the real scope and goal of MKULTRA and its locus of action which, far from playing out in foreign espionage, functioned primarily at the local state university.  From there, we consider the counter-culture as a conduit through which massive social change could be wrought, through propagandists like Tim Leary and Aldous Huxley.  Moving to the wider and historical scope, we investigate the ideological underpinnings of MKULTRA in British Empiricism and scientism, and its intimate connection to Freemasonry and the Royal Society.

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