The Fraud of Psychiatry

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29 Responses to The Fraud of Psychiatry

  1. Stephen Hand says:

    You’ve never known anyone who was obviously very mentally ill, Jay?

  2. Benoch says:

    I know one guy who is a text book, perfect example of a man with bipolar disorder. I know about twenty or more people on drugs for bipolar disorder.

  3. steve dalton says:

    Jay, you don’t know church history. The church has always considered mental illness to be a reality. It could be healed or treated by medicine or divine healing. Please read the book “The Reality of Mental Illness” and see what happens to people who don’t get medical attention for the same.

    • jaydyer008 says:

      I’m pretty sure I do have a good grasp of Church History. Yes, mental illnesses are real. Modern corporate control grid drugging of everyone is not healthy and is based on a purely materialistic view of mankind, and diagnoses him apart from a biblical worldview.

  4. Ross says:

    While I agree that Freud, Jung and many of the other fathers of the field were nuts, that psychiatry is often, as Chesterton put it, “confession without absolution,” and that 99% of the profession is a sham or based on a faulty first premise, etc, etc, I, nonetheless, think it is fair to warn that this vid might be part of Scientology’s campaign against psychiatry. I seem to recall some researcher a few years back (it might have been Terry Melanson, I can’t remember for sure) saying he read some books that were good indictments of psychiatry but later came to lose faith in them when he discovered that they were penned by crypto-Scientologists. The Scientologists are very anti-Shrink, probably because people often turn to mental help professionals to deprogram family members taken in by the cult. As I understand it, they even believe that Psychiatrists are alien mantis men or something like that. Not that the disapproval of L. Ron Hubbard validates all that is bogus in Psychiatry mind you. I just thought a fair warning was in order in case any of this vid had a covert Scientologist spin. I haven watched the whole thing yet so I don’t know if it does.

  5. Ross says:

    Wow, lucky guess on my part. I was mostly tipped off by the high production value. Most groups tackling something enshrined by the establishment find it hard to get funding and hence their vids are usually amateurish but Hollywood connections grant Scientology projects high quality production. Regardless, I still have problems with many aspects of modern psychiatry. Scientology’s anti-shrink campaign is the bane of conspiracy researchers everywhere since the Scientologists always cover the fact that they are the author’s of the given attack piece as they know their very name brings discredit to any claim, even one that’s partly true. Keeping this in mind, I don’t think that we need to worry that Jay might have finally said “Nanoo! Nanoo!” and decided to join Jenna Elfman and Travolta on the next space flight to planet Teekiak.

    “Help me Tom Cruise! Use your witchcraft!” – Ricky Bobby.

  6. jaydyer008 says:

    The Church could not have always considered mental illness a reality in this modern corporate sense, because psychiatry is a modern discipline.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry

    Of course there are mentally ill people, and of course mental illness is real.

    I did not know this was a scientology video, but the points made in the video still stand. Modern pyschiatry is what Huxley wrote about in Brave New World.

    • steve dalton says:

      Jay, psychiatry may be a modern discipline, but mental illnesses were always treated by doctors even in ancient times. The Church has saints like Dymphna we can pray to to intercede for the mentally ill.

      Also, you have a skewered understanding of psychiatry. Yes there are frauds and quacks in psychiatry, just like any other professions. But only a fool throws out the baby with the bathwater. It is obvisious you have been influenced by radical anti-psychiatric ideas. Please read “A Dose of Sanity” by Walker and “The Reality of Mental Illness” by Roth and Kroll. They have some very to the point words about the asinine ideas of the anti-psychiatry movement.

  7. jaydyer008 says:

    In Tom Cruise’s debate with Matt Lauer, Tom Cruise wins. That said, Scientology is Satanic.

  8. jaydyer008 says:

    Again, I don’t think there is anything wrong with psychiatry as a discipline, and of course there is such a thing as mental illness. But you can’t honestly tell me much the modern institution isn’t largely a cult-like bigpharma institution. Where are the good fruits of everyone being drugged?

  9. jaydyer008 says:

    Steve – here’s what I’m talking about:

    http://www.truthout.org/1213091

    • steve dalton says:

      Jay all this is is a puff piece for the radical anti-psychiatry movement. I used to follow them on the internet., I stopped when I realized many, if not all of them, were Marxists, rigid religious fundamentalists, and untreated mental patients. Please educate yourself so you don’t spread dangeros misinformation

  10. Jay Dyer says:

    Where are your facts? Do you seriously think everyone needs to be on meds?

  11. steve dalton says:

    Do I think everybody needs to be on meds? If they have a serious life-threating mental illness like bi-polar or schziophrenia, you bet. For proof that bthe anti-psychiatry movemeny was leftist in origin see pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/reprint/19/12/743.pdf Also please contact Stephen Hand. He knows something about mental illness too.

    • jaydyer008 says:

      I think you’re still arguing against something I didn’t say. I never said there are no competent psychiatrists or that there it’s all a fraud. The modern establishment, however, is very much concerned with profits for pharmaceutical companies and mass control through drugging. Huxley spoke about this. That fact has nothing to do with “right” and “left.” That establishment wants to drug most children and increases it’s diagnoses of illnesses to increase profit. How can you deny that?

    • Stephen Hand says:

      Steve Dalton, writes, “…If they have a serious life-threating mental illness like bi-polar or schziophrenia, you bet.”

      This is unquestionably correct. If there are abuses, well, that is simply another matter. Today there are medications which relieve much suffering and restore lucidity and coherence to persons who when off their meds are suffering, disoriented and at risk of many dangers.

      I have a close friend who is a successful attorney. When he was off his medication he ends up “speeding in thought” and gets in terrible fights and lands in jail.”

      And this is to say nothing of those so many mentally ill I saw among the homeless during the years I worked with them. Or those who are clinically depressed and in danger of suicide.

      Only those who have had little or no experience can doubt. The problem with the above video besides its source is its sweeping ideological prejudice, which makes it dangerous.

      As with any doctor, one must be certain they are good, reputable and decent men or women with long experience. I too fear that some of those we hear in “patriot” circles rail against proven medications are either shilling for naturopathic businesses or suffering themselves.

      • jaydyer008 says:

        Yeah, I’m a shill.

        Take a look at this blog and the stuff I read. Do any “shills” master Eastern theology and Thomism? No. Do shills convert Calvinists? No. Do shills discourse on philosophical and esoteric topics that 98% of the public cannot follow? No. Do shills refuse money? No. Get a clue, or get out of here.

  12. jaydyer008 says:

    Does this sound good to you:

  13. Stephen Hand says:

    Jay, I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to some I hear on RBN and GCN and the like. Certainly scientology also has vested interests.

  14. jay008 says:

    I think Fr. Ripperger makes the point I was after in this audio:

    —>The Dangers of Modern Psychology: An Audio Presentation by Fr. Chad Ripperger. Listen here.
    http://www.sensustraditionis.org/webaudio/MC/dm.mp3

  15. Stephen Hand says:

    I think it is clear Father Ripperger is speaking mostly about ideologically-laden Jungian and Freudian type ‘psychology’.

    My work with the homeless over the years presented many people who suffered from, say, schizophrenia and / or very serious (dangerous) depression or panic disorder who responded remarkably well to carefully prescribed medications. When off their meds they decompensated rapidly. The proof was in the pudding, suggesting a biological component, often running in families.

    On the other hand some persons with serious spiritual / existential problems (loss of meaning, fear of life, relationships, outright sins in ‘lifestyle,’ inordinate fear of death, some phobias, possibly anorexia-bulimia, mild transitive depression, and so on) are certainly too often ignored or mistreated, and no medication can compensate for what is lacking in these instances which require healing of a very different kind.

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